Discussion about Artificial Intelligence

Alan Newsome/... computers will never be able to reason
Alan Newsome/... they can only do what they are told
Alan Newsome/... so the "reasoning" they do do will be bayesian
David Simmons/... not nec.
David Simmons/... why can't I add a random component to AI?
Alan Newsome/... you can
Alan Newsome/... but random isnt reasoning
David Simmons/... it's a combitiona
David Simmons/... combination*
David Simmons/... so you honestly think there's no way a computer can logic as well as a human
Alan Newsome/... you can teach it to "learn" but its based on selecting something from a provided list of options
Alan Newsome/... the list can only increase based on what it has built in
David Simmons/... that's not true
Alan Newsome/... and it's experiences
David Simmons/... and imagination
Alan Newsome/... computers cant imagine
David Simmons/... that's not true
Alan Newsome/... how would it imagine?
David Simmons/... somewhat random internal computations
Alan Newsome/... thats not imagination
David Simmons/... there's nothing I don't think that can't be explained
David Simmons/... what it something that exists that can't be explained or derived from something else
Alan Newsome/... god
David Simmons/... and
Alan Newsome/... and?
Alan Newsome/... lots of things can't be explained
David Simmons/... I can explain god
David Simmons/... but I'd like to hear another
Alan Newsome/... explain god?
Alan Newsome/... you cant prove/disprove he exists
David Simmons/... I could explain the arguement for why people would believe/create a god
David Simmons/... but I believe in god
Alan Newsome/... that doesnt prove that he exists or not
David Simmons/... so I'd rather argue something else
Alan Newsome/... ok
Alan Newsome/... im just saying a computer couldnt prove/disprove god
Alan Newsome/... how do you explain where dreams come from
Alan Newsome/... and how would a computer dream
David Simmons/... the same way a person does
Alan Newsome/... which is?
David Simmons/... dreams could be random firings of existing memories
David Simmons/... trying to make connections
Alan Newsome/... but they arent always
Alan Newsome/... some dreams are not related to memories at all
Alan Newsome/... some are just imaginations
David Simmons/... I don't consider dreams an imagination
David Simmons/... day dreams somewhat
David Simmons/... dreams are more of an unconcious experience
David Simmons/... do you think robots can replace manual labor jobs
Alan Newsome/... robots can replace any job where there are specific rules
Alan Newsome/... robots cannot replace creative jobs
David Simmons/... like how to design art?
Alan Newsome/... like creating art
Alan Newsome/... not how to design art because that could be based on rules
Alan Newsome/... and you could just use randomness to get "new" art
Alan Newsome/... but for something truly new and never done before, robots cannot do it
David Simmons/... yet
Alan Newsome/... roboots cannot do anything they are not programmed to do
Alan Newsome/... therefore they cannot be creative
David Simmons/... they can be programmed to learn
Alan Newsome/... yes, but they are still limited to their parameters
David Simmons/... let me put it this way
Alan Newsome/... computers just can process faster than humans
David Simmons/... can people breath under water
Alan Newsome/... no
David Simmons/... but we found a way to breath under water, right
David Simmons/... computers cannot imagine
Alan Newsome/... right
David Simmons/... but they will find a way to imagine
Alan Newsome/... yes but its not really imagining
David Simmons/... that's fine
David Simmons/... we're not really breathing under water
David Simmons/... but the effect is the same
Alan Newsome/... its just using randomness and set patterns to appear to imagine
Alan Newsome/... yes, but computers are still limited
David Simmons/... sure
David Simmons/... and so are we in the water
Alan Newsome/... exactly
Alan Newsome/... so computers cant replace us
Alan Newsome/... completely
David Simmons/... but a person in the water can still kill a fish